Example 1065: How To Do Taxes for LLC

1065 taxes

I had a hard time completing my LLC 1065 Annual Taxes even though we are a small business without any “difficult” expenses (like amortization). Hiring a tax professional was out of our price range, so I muddled through it myself.  I couldn’t find any sample 1065 forms to get my feet on the ground, so I decided to write one.

I’m not a tax adviser (and don’t even play one on TV).  There are lots of reasons your form would look different than mine AND most importantly I had no idea what I was doing.   This blog post is an example 1065 form to help you understand the basics about how it works.  Think of it as the dummy’s dummy’s dummy’s guide. 

I found it helpful to prepare an income statement, balance sheet and capital account report before I even got started with the 1065. Many fields on the 1065 mimic those forms and you need all the numbers. (Plus, there are lots of resources online around how to do them, so it was a friendly place to start.)

Income Statement

1065 sample income statement

A simple Income Statement has:

  • business name and time period across the top
  • a section with all of your revenue (what you took in). I divided mine by month because we get monthly royalty checks.
  • a section with all of your expenses (what you spent). We broke our expenses into the categories our tax software had: Accounting, Advertising, Amortization, Bank fees, Commissions, Contracted services, Credit card fees, Gifts, Insurance, Janitorial, Legal/professional fees, Organizational costs before factoring deduction, Postage, Professional dues/subscriptions, Supplies, Telephone, Travel and entertainment expense subject to 50% limitation, Travel and entertainment expense not subject to limitations, Utilities, Vehicle Expense

We decided not to make any business travel/entertainment expenses because I didn’t know how to do that properly.  It also seemed like the kind of “write-offs” that could attract red flags and I didn’t want any red flags in my 1065.

We thankfully had nothing to amortize because that requires extra paperwork.  (Amortizing or depreciating means you take a really expensive cost and pay for it over many years… but most importantly, it means more paperwork.).

We had lots of extra fees like Copyrights, ISBN numbers, and Award entries that I didn’t know what to do with so I made up additional categories such as Other: Copyrights

Capital Accounts
sample capital account
The purpose of capital accounts is to manage how much each partner contributed and received from the business. I think it has to do with being taxed differently if you’re earning back money you sunk into the business vs a bona fide profit, but that’s my guess.

I found it easiest to keep track of my capital accounts on a spreadsheet.

I made a new spreadsheet for each partner in the LLC and recorded when partners contributed money to the business. When the business lost money, that decreased everyone’s capital accounts because their share of the business was now worth less (because the business was worth less). When the business made money, the net income is credited among the capital accounts because their share of the business is now worth more. If you ever pay a dividend to the members, that debits their capital account because you’re taking money out of the business (and putting it directly into the pockets of the owners).

I don’t think this is 100% accurate, but an easy way for me to think about Capital Accounts is that Capital Accounts are the day to day details of the Shareholder’s Equity section of the balance sheet. For simple businesses, the total value of every partner’s capital account will probably equal the Shareholder’s equity section of the balance sheet.

Balance Sheet
sample balance sheet

A balance sheet is a snapshot of your company at a given time. Your company has to buy stuff (with money/credit/bartering with rubber bands) and your company sells stuff. This form balances what you buy (your assets) with where you get the money (liabilities or shareholder’s equity). Liability means your business took on debt to make a purchase and shareholder’s equity meant the owners kicked in some money. The asset side of the balance sheet must always equal the liabilities/shareholder’s equity side. In other words, for each purchase you have to record what you purchased and where the money came from.

Let’s talk assets first. My company has $50 in cold hard cash. Since our books are eBooks and print on demand, we don’t have any inventory. The assets are broken into short term assets:

  • Cash on Hand (cold hard cash, $50)
  • Accounts Receivable (money you are owed from customers)
  • Inventory (books that we have printed and awaiting sale – $0 because we have no books left in stock)

There are also long term assets such as land, building and furniture. I currently don’t have any of those for my business.

On the liabilities side, we have $50 that we haven’t distributed to the owners (but it’s rightfully theirs), so I placed that under Shareholder Equity. Some other examples of liabilities would be:
* Accounts Payable (bills we have we haven’t paid yet)
* Mortgage

This is a snapshot of my business on December 31st, the end of our tax year. If I had done this snapshot six-months earlier, I may have had $250 in Cash on Hand and Shareholder’s Equity… but we spent $200 on marketing efforts that burned up our cash and shareholder’s equity… so now we’re at $50 and $50.

We didn’t personally take out any loans, so all of our money came from Shareholder Equity. The capital accounts section provide a lot of detail into this shareholder’s equity entry.

Sample 1065

A, B, and C you’ll have to lookup in the 1065 Instruction Manual’s “Codes for Principal Business Activity and Principal Product or Service”

If you don’t have an EIN, you can apply online for free.  If you don’t have one, you ought to get one since they’re like a Social Security number for a business.

Box G: I chose initial return because this was the initial return for the year.

Box H: How do you track your bills?  Do you record a bill when you actually go out and make a purchase (Cash) or when the bill arrives in your mailbox? (Accrual)

Box I: You’ll probably have to create a K-1 for each partner, so list the number of partners in your LLC

1a: We don’t directly process Visa, MasterCard or Paypal, so I didn’t use any Merchant Cards.  This is only if you receive payments from Credit Cards or similar services.

1b: Since we get paid from Amazon, I entered all of our Sales Receipts in 1b.

2: Amazon processes all of our transactions, makes all of our products and deposits our commission into my bank account, so I left 2 blank.

9-22: We don’t pay salaries, rent an office, charge consumers directly (and thus tax them) or have any expensive items we depreciate, so I got to leave the entire deductions section blank.

1065 Schedule B

1: What kind of business did you legally form?  We formed an LLC.

2: Roughly: Were any of your business owners not real people?  (Companies can own other companies).

3a: Roughly: Did a foreign business own 50% of your business?
3b: Roughly: Does an individual that is a reportable entity own 50% of your business?
Direct or Indirect 50% ownerships means if you add your shares of the company + your wife’s + your kid’s (etc), does it all add up to more than 50% of the company? I’m not 100% sure on this line, but I believe a normal person generally isn’t a “reportable entity” if you look closely at the IRS definition of a “reportable entity”. (A reportable entity must fill out a schedule M-3 and I don’t know of a case where an INDIVIDUAL is responsible for an M-3… but again, I’m not tax expert :) If that’s correct, then it’s possible to answer “no” to this question even if you own 50+% of the business because you’re not required as an individual to fill out an M-3.

If you do answer yes, then you have to fill out a schedule B-1, schedule M-3 and a reportable entities letter. I wasn’t 100% sure on this question, so I answered yes my first couple years. However this year, I’m answering “no” because I don’t think I actually am a reportable entity. We’ll see how this year’s filing goes… cross your fingers for me!

4a: Roughly: Does your company own lots of another company’s stock?  (You’re probably not searching for an example 1065 like this webpage if you do!)

5.  Did you file an 8893?  Well, did you?

6d. There are some “other” reasons you’re required to file an M-3 that are worth reading into:  particularly if any “reportable entities” are involved.

7. Are you publicly traded?

8. Were you debts reduced somehow?

9. The first page of the 8918 instructions describe who Material Advisers are.

10. Do you have a foreign bank account or stock?

11. Did you do anything with foreign trusts?

12. 754 elections allow you to equalize the difference between inside and outside basis.  If that means nothing to you, skip this question.

13. Roughly: were you trading property?

14. Tenancy in common roughly means two people or businesses owning property together.

15. Look into this one further if you own any foreign things.

16. Did any foreigners own part of this business?

18. 1099’s usually refer to hiring contractors (or being paid more than $600 as a contractor).  It can also deal with earning interest (from a savings account for example). Turbotax has a good explanation if this sounds interesting.

19. Are you a director of a foreign company?

1065 Schedule K

This form mirrors the first page of the 1065. We made $50 and took in $500, so I copied those values over. We didn’t use many of the other fields on the first page, so I left them blank here as well.

1065 Schedule K-1

sample 1065 k-1

You’ll need to fill out a K-1 for each partner.  The number you fill out should match the 1065 form, page 1, box I.

A. Same number from 1065 form, page 1, box D

B. Your address

C. Where are you sending your 1065?  (Which IRS service center?)

D. Is your business publicly held?

E. Partner’s Social Security Number (if American) or ITIN (if foreign)

F. Partner’s address.

G. When you formed your partnership, was this partner a full partnership member or do they have restrictions and limitations on them?

H. Is the partner an American or Foreigner?

I. Is this partner a individual or business?  If a business, what kind of business?

J.  This box is where the capital account (prepared at the start of this webpage) comes in handy.  The government wants to know what percent of the business they owned at the start and end of the business.  Refer to my “Capital Accounts” section at the top of this post.

K.  I don’t know.

L,  Start with the capital account from last year’s K-1.  Add in any money the partner contributed towards the business because that made the business more valuable.  Add this partner’s share of the year’s profits or subtract this year’s share of the loss.  Subtract any distributions paid out because those took value away from the business.  What is the sum of all of that?  (Note:  On my form, the profit/loss for all of the partners for this year added up to 1065 Page 5 Line 1 — the net income/loss… but that is because we only have Individual General Partners in our LLC. Section L of the K-1 should mimic the capital account you completed earlier.)

GAAP vs Tax Basis determines how your depreciation and inventory is managed.  Tax Basis is easier and doesn’t account for as many different factors as GAAP.  If you haven’t been following GAAP standards throughout the year, then you’re probably on Tax Basis or you’ve been foolish not to follow all their standards.

M. You can check “No” if this partner did not contribute any property.

1. This partner’s share of the profits/loss.  Typically you take the company’s net income/loss (1065 Page 5 Line 1) and multiply it by this partner’s share of the profit (K-1 Box J).

14.A. The same as Box 1

14.C.  Your company’s income before deductions (1065 Page 1 Line 8) times this partner’s share of the profit (K-1 Box J).

If your company uses royalties, foreign transactions or any of the other fields on lines 1-14, you’ll need to fill them out.  My simple example does not.

Since my LLC had two partners, I also had to fill out a K-1 for Sally. My partners split profits and losses evenly, so her form would look identical to Steve’s (except, of course, for her name, address, identifying number, etc).

Schedule M-1 or M-3

1065 schedule m-3 page 1

Many companies would need to submit a schedule M-1… but if you have an “reportable entities” for example, you need to fill out an M-3 instead of an M-1. You can also voluntarily choose to fill out an M-3 instead of an M-1 as well if you don’t like spending time with your family.

Of all the forms I had to fill out, this one was the hardest for me to understand. It was difficult because I felt like 99% of the form didn’t apply to my simple situation. If you do have to fill it out, think of it as a very complicated version of the balance sheet I described earlier in this guide.

A, B and C: Are you dealing with a million dollar company?

D. I checked yes because my LLC members control a 50% stake.

Part I 1a, I did not file a 10-K.

1b. I did not prepare a certified audit.

1c. Since didn’t make a 10-k or certified audit, I prepared my own income statement (see start of this post).

2. The date for the income statement should match the income statement you provide and the dates across the top of your 1065 Form.

3. We did not restate any of our previous income statements.

4. Tax Basis is easier than GAAP, so we chose that option.  (GAAP is more thorough, but my sample company doesn’t care about any of the extra bits of data that GAAP tracks).

4a should match 1065 page 1, line 22.

5-10.  I didn’t have to fill out the M-3 because I was doing something crazy with my business — I simply had to fill out this form because a partner controls 50% of the business.  So none of these questions applied to me.

11. Add up columns 4-10.

12. A-D matches lines 4-7… if box 4-7 is positive, it goes on the assets side.  If it’s negative, it goes on the Liabilities side.

Because the rest of the form didn’t apply to my simple business (and most simple businesses for that matter), I copied my answer from line 11 to line 26 and left the rest of the fields empty (because they didn’t apply).

1065 schedule m-3 page 2 example

1065 schedule m3 page 3 example

I didn’t talk very much about the schedule M-3 I don’t understand it and I don’t think it applies to my business. If you can understand it, then you must be an accountant (so why are you reading this dummy’s dummy’s guide?)

Schedule M-1
On the Schedule L image below, I also filled out a sample M-1. It’s the simplified, friendly version of the M-3. You should only have to fill out the M-1 or M-3. Since we don’t have any deprecation or entertainment money, the M-1 really only wanted to know about our net income. (This is so much more simple than an M-3, eh?) I got the net income from the 1065, line 22. It can be positive or negative.

Schedule L
example 1065 L M-2

The “analysis of income or loss” at the top of this image is a continuation of schedule K. It wants to know what type of partner received how much of the business’ net income. Did your net income go to an individual or a corporation?

All of the owners in our sample company were regular partners (not limited partners) and they all were individuals actively involved in the business… so my $50 net income all went into one box. If you have a complex partnership, where your business is owned by corporations, other partnerships, individuals, etc, etc, etc, you’ll have to break down your net income.

The schedule L is a copy of your balance sheet. I made my balance sheet before even jumping into my taxes (see top of this article), so the schedule L was fairly easy to fill out since I was copying values from that.

Since a balance sheet is a snapshot of your business at a given time, the schedule L is actually TWO balance sheets. The first one (columns a & b) are from January 1st of this year. The second one (columns c & d) are from December 31st of this year. This gives the IRS a chance to see how your business has changed over the tax year.

Since my previous year was a terrible one and my business was worth absolutely nothing at the end of it, all my values for column a & b are 0. (If it had folded, there would have been nothing to sell off and distribute. The partners were S.O.L.)

Columns c & d are a copy of the balance sheet I prepared on December 31st. The top half (lines 1-14) are a copy of the asset side of the balance sheet. My balance sheet had $50 of cold hard cash I earned and owners equity section mentions that that money belongs to the owners (instead of being money we got from a bank loan, for example).

Lines 15-22 are the liabilities/shareholder’s equity. Since my business didn’t take out any loans, I only have shareholder equity (line 21).

Since this is a balance sheet, the values on line 14 (total assets) should equal the values on line 22 (total liabilities and capital).

Remember, a balance sheet isn’t a running total of everything your business has ever done. It’s a snapshot of everything on your books at a given time.

Schedule M-2
(See previous “Schedule L” image because both schedules are on the same page).

The M-2 schedule is a summary of your capital account. If you completed capital accounts for each of your partners, like I showed earlier, it should be fairly easy to fill out.

Line 1: What was your balance at the end of last year?
Line 2: How much did partners contribute to the business this year?
Line 3: What was your net income (1065, Line 22)? Net income is positive, net loss is negative.
Line 6: Did you pay out any money from the businesses to your partners?

Note: The values that you’ve input in the M-2 should match up if you total all of your partner’s K-1s (which should also match the total of each partner’s capital account spreadsheets).

Schedule B-1

1065 schedule b1 example

If your business had a reportable entity owner that could influence 50% of the business (Form 1065, page 2, Schedule B, Question 3b is Yes), you need to fill out Schedule B-1.

Steve and Sally both own 50% of this business, but neither are reportable entities (I think), so I’m skipping this form this year.

Reportable Entities Letter

If a “reportable entity” can influence more than 50% of the business (Form 1065, page 2, Schedule B, Question 3b is Yes), then the government wants to know more information about them, but is too shy to ask for a date.

View my sample reportable entities letter, which needs to be included with the tax filing for any “reportable entities”

Just when you think you’re done…

Don’t forget you also need to file state income taxes for your business… and be sure to check the IRS instructions carefully… there are lots of different schedules you have to file depending on what you answer on various questions.  I found that the further I got into my 1065, the further I was from completing it.

Hope this intro to the 1065 has helped! You have successfully made it through the more boring thing I have ever written. If you happen to be an elementary student filling out complicated business taxes as a hobby, why don’t you check out some of my children’s books instead since I guarantee they’ll be more fun to read!

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28 thoughts on “Example 1065: How To Do Taxes for LLC

    • I had always done my own personal taxes, so I figured LLC taxes wouldn’t be much different… but man oh man it took a lot of weekends to figure this stuff out. I figured if I wrote it all down, I could remember how to do my own taxes next year!

    • Thanks for the feedback. I’m glad someone found this page useful! When I did my first 1065, I spent hours looking for an example to get me started — but I couldn’t find anything written in words I understood. I wanted to give other small business owners an example to see how the forms fit together because that would have saved me so much frustration.

  1. I am so glad I ran across your blog covering this info. Thank you so much for putting this information out there. Trying to find a good example of how all of these cogs fit together has been hard to find. Even when contacting the IRS directly its been difficult to find out exactly what forms and letters they are wanting sent in.

    Now I just have to figure out information for my state income.

    Thanks again!

    • Glad you found it helpful, Kell… Just remember I’m an author not a bean counter so there are bound to be mistakes in my post. I wanted to write this down so every April I could look at something to remember what in the world I had done the year before!

  2. Thanks so much for the post. Very useful!!
    One question. RE: The M-3. My reading of the code is that a “individual” that is a 50% owner in an LLC doesn’t necessarily trigger the requirement to file an M-3, since based on my reading, an “individual” doesn’t qualify as a “reportable entity partner”.

    Here is the definition:
    “For the purposes of these instructions, a reportable entity partner with respect to a partnership filing Form 1065 or Form 1065-B is an entity that:

    — Owns or is deemed to own, directly or indirectly, under these instructions, a 50% or greater interest in the income, loss, or capital of the partnership on any day of the tax year, and

    — Was required to complete Schedule M-3 on its most recently filed U.S. federal income tax return or return of income filed prior to that day.”

    I don’t think an individual ever has to file a Schedule M-3, only other legal entities.
    In retrospect, do you know if this is correct?

    Thanks again!! Great stuff.

    • I had 2 llc’s formed in 13. used turbo tax for business. (not turbotax for home and business) referred to now as TT only like $150– think it helped tremendously weed out the non-applicable stuff. and it ties the forms together electronically and helps you keep stuff straight. I have farm equipment that’s depreciating and land. TT has a great part that helps you insert depreciated assets and prints these awesome schedules that well go into proper place. YES THE BALANCE SHEET L IS A KILLER BUT let me tell you time saving tips–also using quickbooks just learned recently–awesome. also we have 4 family members in the llc’s so each at 25%. we don’t have to do the L but you should anyway. The real mind buster is getting QBooks to match your 1065 L. each one affects the other. You all need to learn about equity accounts for like owner draw. this lets you also keep track of personal expenses in a llc w/o affecting your taxes.
      1. get all accounts reconciled.
      2 in turbotax or? do your depreciation schedule. THEN IN QB make 3 fixed assets accounts in qb. master–Business equipment and two subs-cost of bus equip and accumulated depreciation.(they will show you the net value if done right and match lines 9a and b on L)
      2 A. also make a qb fixed asset account like CURRENT DEPRECIATION FROM TTAX. (put that number in after getting from depreciation schedule)
      ***WHAT SO MIND TWISTING IS THAT YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS DON’T HAVE YOUR DEPRECIATION OR USUALLY BASIS FOR THINGS LIKE STOCKS (one of my llc’s has common stocks as assets) AND YOU NEED THAT STUFF FIGURED before you do profit/loss .note you can fix on your profit/loss statement as you do L. I spent so many hours. there are lots of emotions flying around lol. If i help one person it will thrill me.
      3 get your profit loss accurate as possible. any liability accounts same story as assets.I’m lucky don’t have many.
      do balance sheets in qb for begin date and ending date. should have those accounts showing in 2A above
      4.now start on L– assets. begin of year use your balance sheet first of year. make sure your bank account balance is accurate w balance sheet begin and end of year. see how 9a has buildings and other assets? and accumulated depreciation? the net goes col b.(this is whats left over to depreciation–book value of equip???. do your liabilities lines-15-21
      6 IN TT AS YOU FILL OUT K-1 sheets use cap acc/bas rpt to see totals. this should match line 22 on l
      7. ok i’m tired not doing any more unless someone’s interested.

  3. Thank you! This post is a godsend; exactly the gentle hand holding I needed to help me grok the 1065 (also for a small publishing company, and I also am foolhardy enough to do the accounting, without the proper TV actor credentials). I have the same question as Steven regarding the M-3… even with a 50% split for the company, when it’s individuals, is it required? Is this just a better safe than sorry thing? Since this post is over a year old, and you haven’t updated it to reflect on time spent with Willie Nelsen, courtesy the IRS, I’m guessing the way you filed didn’t raise any red flags/audits? Thanks again; super helpful!

    • Seth and Steven: I did some more googling after Steven’s comment and the first couple results on Intuit forms suggest that an individual CANNOT be a reportable entity and thus never needs to submit an M-3. I’m not an accountant, so I don’t know for sure, but Steven’s reading of Reportable Entities makes sense.

      I have never skipped the M-3 before, but am going to try it this year and see what happens.

      As far as red flags go, the first couple years I submitted a 1065 I had to send in additional forms because I hadn’t realized I had to submit them… but I always try to update this blog post every time I learn something from an amended return. :)

      Good luck with your taxes.

  4. Great Post. Thank you very much.
    One question, Where would you fill the $50 loss which will be carried over to 2013 (on form 1065 2013)

    • Hey Jacob. I’m not sure the answer myself. If someone else knows the answer, I hope they’ll post a reply.

    • make it easy for yourself. just put it on an expense line of your business form. one I’m looking at would be form 8825. rental income. where it says other line 16. write carry over loss. to be super accurate probably on a sub D form. hey, a great advantage is turbo tax for business. it prints your k-1’s and it would keep track of carryovers from last year. There are probably youtube’s about most stuff too. no i don’t work for turbo tax but have been using them for many years. 13 is the first year for 1065. learned a lot. see below.

  5. Thanks, Farmer Fox, for the suggestions. I have never used turbo tax, but I used one of their competitors the first year I did taxes. I appreciated that the software figured out which additional schedules I had to file because I would have never sent in all the correct ones if I had to wade through everything myself. The second and third years I basically copied what I did the first year (but with different numbers, of course!)

  6. Thanks so much for this tutorial! We’ve been struggling to fill out taxes for our LLC on H&R Block software. Your tutorial saved the day!

  7. This was the most helpful tutorial ever! Thank you so much for taking the time and putting it together from all the small business’ around, THANK YOU!

    • It’s my pleasure, Emily. I spent hours searching the web for something like this… and I figured I wasn’t the only one :)

  8. Great job!! I filed an extension just to study up on this filling. I have filed my personal taxes for years, but this is much harder–thanks to you…I have it much easier. Any tips on how to charge for capital purchases (one time or 3-year depreciation, or even fool with it. We are small—sales maybe in the 50,000 range.

    • Glad you found this helpful. I too was surprised by how much harder the 1065 was versus personal taxes. Sorry, but I don’t know anything about capital purchases.

  9. “9-22: We don’t pay salaries, rent an office, charge consumers directly (and thus tax them) or have any expensive items we depreciate, so I got to leave the entire deductions section blank.” Actually, you did put something on line 20: your expenses from your Income Statement, $450. This is the part that’s been difficult for me to figure out, because my interpretation of 1065 leads me to believe such expenses can go in a few places(but only once, ha).

  10. Excellent example. I was cracking my head for the past 3 weeks and your example gave the right direction to complete my 1065. Thanks for posting this tutorial. I bookmarked this page. Hope you don’t pull this out next year when I try to reference this next year. Thanks again.

  11. I reached the same conclusion as you and others did: an individual is not a “reportable entity partner”. The IRS instructions for Schedule M-3 could be made clearer in this regard. I did find an IRS slide presentation that does so (http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/10rpresconpart.pdf); the relevant quote is on page 8: “A Reportable Entity Partner (REP) is a corporation or partnership itself required to file Schedule M‐3 that owns,
    directly or indirectly, 50% or more of a partnership’s profit, loss, or capital.”
    I think, however, that you still need to file Schedule B-1. Part II requires information on individuals owning 50% or more of the partnership, without regard to any requirement to file Schedule M-3.

  12. Steve Hanson

    July 9, 2015
    Many thanks for your blog. A couple of days ago, I received a letter from the IRS basically rejecting my 2014 Form 1065 submittal as incomplete, requesting that I submit Schedules M-1, M-2 and completing Item F on my 1065 submittal plus completing Item J in the two Schedule K-1s submitted. The IRS letter also had space for me to sign a Schedule L Exemption Declaration, and of course, the Signature Declaration for my response. I have spent a couple of days on the matter and the single item that bothered me the most was the term “reportable entity partner”. I surfed the IRS website and couldn’t find an adequate response. I didn’t complete the items requested because it had never been required of me in the past. Back in the late 70s, I told a coworker that I was going to come up with a formula for amortization and he told me that this was impossible. Well I did that plus derive one for the equity balance for the time of a loan. A couple of years later, I found that the two formulas were already out there. I have taken a course in accounting some 25 years ago, and a couple of years back I decided to change to the accrual method of accounting and made out spreadsheets on all of the accounts. Then when it came time to file I just couldn’t get it together in time. It just became so complicated to put all the accounts together and then deal with the reconciliations, that I just decided to use a simple profit analysis (revenues less expenses) and sent a copy of that information to the IRS to support my filing. There were no questions asked on any of my previous returns until a couple of days ago regarding my submittal for the tax year 2014. Well, I just completed the Schedule L (a masterpiece) and Schedules M-1, M-2 and M-3.

    I just completed a letter to the IRS I intended to send along with my submittals. In essence the draft letter states that I received their letter and am enclosing forms initially in response to their requests and apologize for not completing the forms as they expected. My letter ends with the questions that follows: “Why would the IRS send out a letter to the manager of a limited partnership with a Schedule L Exemption Declaration to be signed, if it is required from the start? Why was it not stated therein that I had to complete Schedule L and perhaps even mention that Schedule M-3 might also be required? I hope you understand my view point. I always have wanted and desired to fulfill my obligations as a taxpayer.”

    Last night I didn’t sleep at all with all of this in mind. I had thoughts of ending the partnership and remembered seeing a form on its.gov about terminating a partnership. Why do they make it so hard to run a business!

    I wanted to thank you for your blog. I believe that there are some serious issues with regard to these IRS requirements, even within their own ranks! I still still have the option of sending in only what they requested with the signatures. I reckon I will sleep on it a couple of more nights as I still have 27 more days to respond before penalties.

  13. Thanks Steve.
    A couple of suggestions if you ever decide to add to your massively detailed discussion of the f1065. 1) When is a partner limited or not limited? I am not for sure you got this right. My lawyer has me indicating that the me and my other two members are limited. I own more than 50% so I also have to file the f1065sb1 (trivial, but maybe this has to do with being limited.) 2) it would be use full to show a K-1 on your blog. Especially, the capital account part. It is not clear to everyone that this is determined by the percentage share that each member owns.

  14. I am literally about to be in tears…..I’m so grateful for your post. This is was my first return and on our peon budget….yeah all the legal and financial resources that we need are just not in reach. We’re going to have to figure something out, but in the meantime…with your help…we muddled through. Thank you to infinity is all I can say. Good karma has definitely got to be blessing you because you…..just wow. THANK YOU SO MUCH! You didn’t have to and you did! Have a wonderful day and a successful year!

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